Join Ben as he interviews Uncompromising author, Steve White about his path from the housing projects to the board room. Steve’s remarkable journey is one of vision, grit, and a relentless focus on possibility and purpose. Steve will discuss the lessons that have shaped him and the principals he follows in order to live a life with more fulfillment, purpose, and a lasting legacy.
About Steve White
Steven A. White grew up as the son of a fiercely determined and hard-working single mother. His family moved often in the hopes of creating a better life and future. From Florida to Georgia and eventually Indiana, Steve was influenced by his mother’s strong will and work ethic.
As President of Comcast’s West Division for eleven years, Steve White created a culture defined by Working Together To Win Together. Driven by continuous learning, radical responsibility, and an unwavering commitment to excellence, Comcast’s West Division became a pacesetter by delivering industry-leading results. Steve White was responsible for all Comcast Cable operations in the Western U.S., leading nearly thirty thousand employees, serving almost ten million customers, and driving annual revenue of nearly $18 billion.
Today, Steve applies that same winning philosophy to his new post as President, Special Counsel to the CEO of Comcast.
Join Ben as he interviews Uncompromising author, Steve White about his path from the housing projects to the board room. Steve’s remarkable journey is one of vision, grit, and a relentless focus on possibility and purpose. Steve will discuss the lessons that have shaped him and the principals he follows in order to live a life with more fulfillment, purpose, and a lasting legacy.
About Steve White
Steven A. White grew up as the son of a fiercely determined and hard-working single mother. His family moved often in the hopes of creating a better life and future. From Florida to Georgia and eventually Indiana, Steve was influenced by his mother’s strong will and work ethic.
As President of Comcast’s West Division for eleven years, Steve White created a culture defined by Working Together To Win Together. Driven by continuous learning, radical responsibility, and an unwavering commitment to excellence, Comcast’s West Division became a pacesetter by delivering industry-leading results. Steve White was responsible for all Comcast Cable operations in the Western U.S., leading nearly thirty thousand employees, serving almost ten million customers, and driving annual revenue of nearly $18 billion.
Today, Steve applies that same winning philosophy to his new post as President, Special Counsel to the CEO of Comcast.
Ben Chodor 0:00
Good morning, good afternoon! Good evening - wherever you are. Welcome to Insights with Ben Chodor. I am so excited - again, I say this all the time. But every single book I read is amazing. This week, we have Steven White on "Uncompromising". I mean, this is an incredible book; I think it's a must read for anyone who just wants to understand someone's journey. Anyone who is running an organization, wants to run an organization, what it takes and where you came from. And it just... I love this book. And I highly, highly, highly recommend it. There's so many things we're going to go over, and I can't wait. So why don't we just bring Steven on and jump right in? Steven! First, thank you for taking some time to to be on my podcast.
Steven White 0:50
First of all, Ben - thank you for having me. I am so honored to be here with you. Let's have some fun today.
Ben Chodor 0:56
All right, I love it. And I got to just to give you a little idea of who sees this. I did this originally for our 1,400 employees in 17 countries around the world. Not quite like the 30,000 that kind of report around you. But I wanted to do books and authors who aren't just motivation, but someone who has a real great story to say that they can relate to and I know they can relate to in the book. And then we also have about 10,000 customers globally. And I thought it'd be a great way to show them and help not just sell our products, but also bring them really good insights. And I think your book sort of tops it. Your title, the book, "Uncompromising": what does it mean to you to be uncompromising? So my first question to you is, what does it mean to be uncompromising?
Unknown Speaker 1:46
Well, first of all, Ben, thanks for having me. "Uncompromising" was built around the Mark Twain quote, "The two most important days in your life, Ben, [are] the day you're born, certainly the second is when you find out why. And once you find out why, Ben, why you've been placed on this earth." That is what your uncompromising; that is what you're ruthless in your pursuit, because we know compromise makes the world go round. So we're not saying don't be compromising. But what we're saying when it comes to your purpose in your why, why you are placed on this earth. That is what you're ruthless in your focus in living out your purpose for being here on this earth. So that's how the title was birthed. And for me, Ben, my purpose is how do I create a table of prosperity for as many men and women as possible? Bbecause when you grow up like I did in the housing projects of Indianapolis, you don't get to any level of success without a lot of people giving you a hand up, Ben - not a handout, a hand up, which is opportunity to display your true talents. And what better way to write a love letter to all those men and women who gave me a hand up then to share those life lessons, the positives as well as the negatives, in an uncompromising way? So that's how the title was birth, "Uncompromising". And my journey has been on this uncompromising pursuit of creating a table of prosperity for as many people as possible.
Ben Chodor 3:22
I love that for a couple of reasons. One is I go to bed every night worrying if I did, right by the 1,400 people in my organization globally; am I giving them the right opportunity? Am I motivating them? Am I realizing that every two weeks they're getting a check, how important it is that we continue to grow? But the other thing I say, I do something really silly, I'm the final interview on anyone who touches a customer. And one of the things that I always talk to everyone about is that they ask what advice you have, and I know you got to work really, really hard. But along the way, every time you get an opportunity, if something lucky happens, grab onto and it's the same thing. When you get that hand up, take it as if it's a message and hold on to it. But you still got to put all that work and time into it. So it so resonates with me that that's what you [were], you know, you're why I love that. And then the other "why" is, you know, we want to be good husbands, good fathers, and I want to be I want I want my children. I have boy/girl twins. I want them to go on, You know what? My dad was okay. You know, he taught me some things and that would make me the happiest. I mean, that's my legacy. So that's incredible for me.
Steven White 4:40
I love that, Ben. Let me share another quote with you; I'm going to steal this from a song called "Glorious". We talked about the two most important days in your life is when you find out why. But here's another one that really resonates with me that builds on what you just said - we all die twice. We die the day somebody places us in a grave but we also the last time we dies the last time somebody mentions our name. So how awesome would it be long after w're gone, The seeds that we planted is bearing all of this fruit, Ben - and people are still talking about you, Ben, and others and all of the folks listening to us in a positive way - that is a life well lived. That is true legacy.
Ben Chodor 5:25
I mean, Hannah, who is my producer, is probably smiling right now because it is my favorite quote. And I kind of live every day going, Wow, I know I die the first time, I die second time when they stop talking about me or remembering me. That is how you live forever. Yes, the only way you can live forever if there's something for them to talk about. And that to me would be like the greatest gift. But now I want to jump into this. Alright, so I want to look at my notes because I don't want to miss anything. You've been hugely successful in business. You were most recently President of Comcast West. You were responsible for 30,000 employees across 13 states and business generated over $18 billion in annual revenue. But you share in the book that you actually got your start helping your mom clean motel rooms and I told him before we went on air, love the book, everything that you did, but I think I'm biggest fan of your mom's. Tell me about that, and What lesson did you learn from that experience with your mom? She sounds like also the most incredible lady.
Steven White 5:26
Yeah, Ben, first of all, thank you. Little context. My mother made the decision to leave my father; her purpose in life was raising these four little boys into grown man. So they would make a difference. And she had no vision around successful business people. She wanted to just raise good human beings. So she made a very difficult decision. She was 29 years old. She had a marriage license ban but didn't even have a driver's license, and never held a full time job. She would clean homes and things like that on a part-time basis. So we moved from Florida to Indianapolis, we move into the housing projects of Indianapolis - if anybody here is from Indianapolis. And our first job was cleaning motel rooms - and, Ben, that's motel with an "M", not hotel with an "H"! There's no spa, there's no in-room dining, I think you get the picture. And that was her job, and on the weekends because she couldn't afford a babysitter when we were not in school, she would bring this along to help clean these motel rooms: one so she could keep an eye on us. But also she wanted to teach us lessons; hard work, effort. And I don't need to tell you, Ben, people didn't always treat her with great respect. But she always met them with a smile. Looked them right in the eye. So she was teaching us confidence. But probably the most important lesson, Ben, and I didn't even realize I was learning it was once you identify your purpose, don't allow your environment or your circumstances to dictate how you handle yourself or how you carry yourself or how you think. It was clear her purpose, whatever she had to do to raise her four little boys, she was going to do it in even cleaning motel rooms for a period of three years and bringing her four little boys along for the journey - if that's what she had to do, or that's what she did. And I didn't understand that into later in life, that that's what she was teaching us is once you identify your purpose, you're uncompromising in your pursuit.
Oh, you in the book, when you talk about that. It's one of the ones that gets my heart beating because she really uprooted four little kids went across the country, not knowing what her future - all she knew she had to make the move that is uncompromising, if anything is. I think one of the other things is and I got a question for you. Do you think you've learned your work ethic because you have a very strong work ethic? Because you saw what your mom did? Or do you think it's genetic, that you were just born with this work ethic?
I think a little bit of both. Because think about this, Ben, all of us have a little light inside of us. And we're blessed if we meet people who turn and make that light brighter. And I think the more she represented herself as a role model. And she constantly surrounded us with people that were positive, that were pouring in. And that's not so much that if they had money, but they had a positive attitude, a positive view on life. And as they started pouring into us more, you know that really drove us. But she also placed a chip on our shoulder and let's call it a good chip bid, because there could be a bad chip. There was a good chip placed on our shoulder, and she taught us that you're always competing, Ben, against yourself, you're not someone else. Every morning when you look yourself in the mirror every night before you go to bed, you know, if you gave your best. You can cheat and confuse a lot of people, but you can't trick yourself. And she taught us this lesson about looking yourself in the mirror every night, and ask yourself a very simple question. Did I do my absolute best today? In some days? I would answer no. But every day I was striving to answer yes.
Ben Chodor 10:31
I love that right now I want to jump into the book. You list seven pathways to living an uncompromising life, right? Finding your flight, right? Focusing on the real prize, living life as a learning lab. I love that one. Thinking and acting like a businessman or like a business, owning your attitude and all our efforts, navigating uncertainty and committing to road dog relationships. Let's start with the first one. Finding your fight, which I guess is the essential long term of you know, how do you build that philosophy of learning your fight?
Steven White 11:09
Well, you know, for me, it happened through adversity, I got fired very early on in my career, Ben. I enjoyed a fair amount of success very early in my career, I became a sales manager with my company, the youngest in the company's history. And I got fired a year in because I was not serving my team, I was serving myself, because-
Ben Chodor 11:33
I can interrupt for one second, cuz I think I ran a read in the book. And this is if I remember, you started out as like an individual contributor, and you had a huge success. And you're like, that's exactly right, this great, go manage a team, but you had no experience managing teams. So is that where the the mini failure or the setback started?
Steven White 11:52
That's exactly right. Because I thought my purpose in why was to work hard, make as much money as possible so my family would not be in poverty any longer. And my, you know, my future family would not be in poverty. So I was so focused on my effort. And I realized that was really not my purpose, but I had to get fired. And once I got fired another gentleman and another part of the company called me up the day, I got fired Ben, and said, Steve, I see more in you than you see in yourself. However, if you continue to lead men and women, the way you're leading, you're not going to have success. So Ben, he literally plucked me out of Michigan moving to Chicago, and I worked for him for seven or eight months, watching and learning how he poured into his people, and how much they responded to that. And I rediscovered I didn't find it I rediscovered my purpose. Because that's what my mother had represented all those years. I just lost my way. And through adversity, I was able to rediscover my why. Now, Ben, let me just kind of add: a lot of times people say, Well, Steve, how do I find my purpose? How do I find my why it's a journey, it takes a great deal of reflection. But let's start with three questions. And Ben, I know you're going to I know this is going to resonate with you. Number one, what are you good at? You know, be honest with yourself, I think I'm a good singer, or my wife has convinced me I'm not. But what are you truly good at, Ben? And then the second is what are you passionate about? And number three, would you do it for free? So if you can answer those three questions and look for the intersection points, now you're on your way, because Ben, I don't need to tell you writing a book is not a major moneymaker. None of us are Stephen King, none of us are John Grisham. This is a labor of love. So essentially, leadership and developing others and pouring into others I'm doing is essentially for free. So start with those three questions. Look for the connection points. That will be again, your journey of finding your purpose.
Ben Chodor 14:04
I wrote a book in 2020. And writing 45,000 words is not easy for anyone. It's cathartic, but it's not easy. But it's one of those [things] everyone should have to experience because you and I still had our day jobs when we were writing the book too. So it's not like you could just spend six hours during any part of the day. But I love where you were going what you were saying with that because I love what I do. And I'm passionate about it. But you know, I would do it for free except my wife would let me do it for free. I was just like your wife knows you're not a great singer. I know my other motivation is taking care of your family. So but if you can have if you can do what you love and have passion for it and make a living doing it. I don't think there's anything greater in the entire world right? And obviously have a happy home life. You know, the next one I want to jump into is the real prize. And for two reasons. One, in the book you mentioned, you went to Indiana University, my son graduated from Indiana University. So I'm a Hoosier. And you mentioned that you purposely didn't join a fraternity because you knew you want to be in focus. And I joined a fraternity. And sometimes I went to University of Maryland, wish I didn't, because I wasn't focused. And I know what my son's freshman year was like when he joined a fraternity. And I know that he had to make up for it the next three years, where that maturity come from that you knew that if you didn't focus on the schooling, and if you did that, you probably wouldn't have achieved what you are going to want to achieve?
Steven White 15:49
Yeah, you know, we talked about one of the pathways is this idea of developing road dog relationships are one of those roadog relationships was a guy named Stanford Miller. We call him Lukey. That was his nickname. He was so full and we became friends right before we both went to Indiana University. And I remember when I was contemplating joining a fraternity, he was able to provide a perspective and said, Hey, Steve, you know, I'm not going to pledge but let me tell you why here are the reasons I think of fraternity is fantastic. Here are some of the challenges and opportunities and when I weighed the two, I've made the decision I'm not going to join and it really pause me and gave me pause to really think about why was I there and there's nothing wrong with fraternities, they serve a very useful purpose, particularly, you know, when your first time away from home and having friends and all of that. But it was an opportunity for me to refocus and really think about why was I making that decision, and quite honestly, Ben, I was making the decision to join a fraternity because that's what was expected. That's what everyone else was doing. And I caught myself, am I truly living my life or someone else's. And so therefore, I made the decision. So it's so important to surround yourself with men and women that are truth tellers, right? That will give you a perspective that you might not normally get as you navigate uncertainty of life. And that was one of those critical moments. And I recognize Stanford in the book as one of those important moments in my life that helped me navigate what was at the time of very uncertain time.
Ben Chodor 17:35
It resonates for me, because I have several people in my life who are, you know, the ones who keep me focused, right? And you don't always get that from your organization, because your direct reports and people around you aren't always so open about giving you that brutal honesty, that other people have no problem like knocking you down a peg. And I need that because every now and then everyone needs to get realigned a little bit.
Steven White 18:03
Wow, that's such a good point, Ben, and you and I both been blessed with wonderful wives that serve in our let's call it our kitchen cabinet. But it's so important that you identify men and women in your life that love you and care about you so much, they don't mind telling you the truth, even if it means repercussions, even if it means you being mad. The fact that they love and care about you that much that they will tell you the truth. The numbers not important. Maybe it's one maybe it's to the numbers, not important, but have someone in your life that will speak truth to you.
Ben Chodor 18:40
And when you mentioned why we say my wife is the ultimate truth giver to me. I don't know if I'm as much the truth give her about things with going on in her life as she is with me. But zero punches are pulled. Hey, your third pathway. Really. I loved also because I thought my whole career. It's all about a learning lab. And does this really mean that you need to hold on to this growth mindset that you're constantly learning and you can change? And how did you come to that one?
Steven White 19:10
Yeah, my stepfather; later life my mother remarried. Evan Smith. We call him Smitty. He left us when he was 89 years old. But, Ben, he had a sixth grade education. He was taking Spanish lessons at 75! Who does that? He never stopped learning. And so he would read three newspapers a day. I still read three newspapers a day. Don't laugh. I know I'm old school. But this idea that you're on a constant journey of learning and growth. And this is how you stay relevant because think about our teammates that are listening that are thinking about their career. The way you really drive your careers you collect experiences, don't worry about, hey is my career going straight up, or straight - don't worry about that. Get experiences because that prepares you for the really big jobs that might come later in your career. So live life as a learning journey. Surround yourself with people that pour into you that you're learning from. And you go from there. I'll give you one quick example. I read this about Bill Gates. He said, If you ever want to become really knowledgeable about a subject, find 12 books on that subject, get recommendations and read one book a month. So by the end of the year, you will be in the top percentile of knowledge around that subject. So live life as a learning lab. Because you never know what's going to come your way.
Ben Chodor 20:44
It's like Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 hour rule, right? You become an expert in it. But I also think the other thing when you when you talk about your stepfather is at 89. Right when when he passed was still learning and educating. So I actually think it helps keep you alive. Because when you don't, when you stop using your mind, things like dementia happen, you sort of slow down, it's not about not retiring. It's about always constantly challenging your mind. And I it's like, besides reading all the time, it's one of the reasons I love boxing is it's like one of my exercise, because your mind is always working. Because you're always thinking to yourself, I gotta go, right, I gotta go left, what's my next move, but when you stop using your mind, I don't think there's anything really left.
Steven White 21:32
And Ben, you said it so well, and surround yourself with people that have a different perspective, not to get political. But I do think some of what creates a divide in our country is we tend to listen and be around people that only think like us. So essentially, we're just talking to each other. But when you can surround yourself with men and women in a respectful way that have a different opinion. It's amazing what you can learn. It's amazing how much you will grow. So live life is a learning lab keeps you young keeps you focused, it keeps you interesting, quite honestly, who wants to be around someone that is not growing and developing? I don't? And I'm sure you don't,
Ben Chodor 22:12
it doesn't also tie in to because you mentioned in the book, you know you're Chair of the Comcast Council of diversity, equity inclusion, right. And following the murder of George Floyd. Right. I like how you talked about approaching the council as a learning lab and debate and just taking all different opinions in is that also what you mean by learning lab?
Steven White 22:33
Absolutely. Because I have to suspend my own beliefs sometimes, because I might have a perspective. And I now pour that perspective on everyone else. And now everybody's thinking like me, but you go in with curiosity and ask questions, Ben, and one of the things I know about you is your great question asker. And so you just bring that curiosity, you pull things out of people. And it's amazing when you get people fighting over the best ideas and not the turf, but focusing on the best ideas. That's how you really build something special. And we were able to set a course for our company, Comcast, while we certainly have a long way to go, we were able to set a direction and a course for our company to really make a difference in the space of DPI.
Ben Chodor 23:27
I'm a huge I mean, we could a whole nother day we could talk about D and I. But you know, it's interesting that you say that because I selfishly and I don't share this with most people. At the beginning, I told you why I do these right for my team and for our customers and get the reality is the reason I do this is my Master's class, I get to ask really what I think brilliant people whose books meant something to me questions. And by asking the questions, you might think I really know what I'm talking about. But I learned every single one of these, I walk away I feel smarter than before. And I think anyone watching or listening to this, ask questions. Everyone wants to mentor, but it's not like we can go and look at our organization go, I'm gonna mentor this person, I'm gonna help me ask because we're all open to it. And we want to help.
Steven White 24:17
And Ben, that is such an important point. Because everyone listening to us today, they're a leader. Whether you have 30,000 people 1000, or one or even zero, we're all leading in our own way. And when we can role model the behavior of living life as a learning lab, now all of a sudden you're creating an organization that's all about learning and growing. And that's how you create a world class organization. That's how you created an organization that is always relevant and growing.
Ben Chodor 24:52
So you talk about being the CEO of Me Inc, right? And thinking and like acting like a business, explained to me Everyone I mean, I want everyone to read the book, but explain to everyone what you mean by CEO of me.
Steven White 25:04
People say, Steve, who do you work for? I say I am chairman and CEO of Steve White Incorporated. I have two shareholders, my wife, Barbetta, my son, Stevie, and there's a dog in his future. So let's call that a half a shareholder. So let's say I have two and a half shareholders. And Comcast purchases my services, right? And so by thinking about myself as a business, as a company, how do I keep my company relevant? How do I keep my company sharp, so I am now investing in my company, I'm taking training and development programs, I'm not waiting on my boss, to create an outline for me, I'm identifying books that might help me build my company. And my craft is just a different mindset. And the way businesses think, they don't think with emotion, they think very objectively, they build strategic plans, they think about where they want to be in five years, where they want to be in 10 years. And so that's the whole notion of thinking of yourself as a business and your chairman and CEO, it is a different mindset. And that's really what we're focusing on is you are a business, and companies purchase your services. And so therefore, if you want that company to keep purchasing your services, you have to stay relevant, you have to stay sharp, you have to continue to invest in your craft. That's how people continue to one invest in your company. And also Ben, the more you invest in your company, the more others want to be around your company, the more others want to invest in your company. So it's simply a mindset of thinking about yourself as a business, something that has worked very well for me, because let's be honest, Ben, in our career, we will we will meet setbacks, we will have heartache, there will be a position we thought we deserve, and we didn't get it. But how you respond is always an indicator of where you end up. And most businesses don't respond emotionally. They think objectively through it, they dust themselves off when they lose a customer. And they go right back at it. That's all we're talking about here. Is that mindset, the your CEO and chairman of your company. Does that make sense, Ben?
Ben Chodor 27:28
Totally. So the question is where along your career did that light bulb go off and go? I'm Steven. I'm the CEO of Me Inc. Great. What, obviously, it wasn't your first couple. Do you actually remember when it started to formulate?
Steven White 27:44
Absolutely. When I got fired! Because my first reaction was anger. I'm like, How could you do this? You know how hard I work for you guys? I you know, I put in all this time, I moved halfway across the country to Michigan to run your business. And I did that for a short period of time. And then I started saying, Okay, how can my business be better? And so it allowed me to see where I was not leading my team, where I was not pouring into them, I started looking at things in a very objective way. When Darnell Martin, who's no longer with us, call me up and said, I think you can still help the company, I had to get past the embarrassment of being fired, to say I'm gonna dust myself off, he's offered me an opportunity to set a new course for my company, I knew direction. And so therefore, I was able to embrace that without a lot of emotion, but in a very objective way.
Ben Chodor 28:39
I love that. All right, your next chapter is in owning your attitude. You shared a Shakespeare quote, and I think it came from your wife's grandfather. Can you share with us? Why? And why is this quote mean so much to you?
Steven White 28:55
Yeah, the quote goes like this, nothing is good. Nothing is bad - thinking makes it so. So let me say that one more time, nothing is good. Nothing is bad thinking makes it so. So you can look at every situation and you have to make a conscious decision. Do you look at this as a good situation or a bad situation? If you're not winning, you're learning there's no such thing as losing Ben. And so therefore, at the end of the day, the only two things we can control is our attitude and effort. I can't make someone like me, I can't make someone hire me. I can't make my wife do this. I can't make my son do this. The only two things I can control is my attitude and effort. And what I find is I am going to outwork you and that doesn't mean working 24/7 - that's not what I'm saying. But I am constantly thinking about how I can make my company stronger. What are the ideas, where can I find out how I can be better let me tap into this leader, this person, and then have a positive attitude. Think about this, Ben, and you know this, as a leader, people are attracted to people that have a positive outlook and attitude, who wants to be around someone who is negative, who sees the bad and everything? I want to be around the person that has a positive attitude. Now, that does not mean Ben, I'm going to look at everything through rose-colored glasses, I'm not saying that we're saying, take it all in, find the lessons learned, and move forward. Don't allow it to trap you in this idea of I'm a victim, or someone's done me wrong. I was the perfect candidate to be a victim. My mother was the perfect candidate. But she made a conscious decision with her attitude and effort that she was going to chart a different life.
Ben Chodor 31:02
And you know what, I wish we could end on that, because that says everything. But there's a question that I really wanted to ask you. You called yourself in the book a planner, right? You put you have a notebook on everything right? So one question is, do you ever go back and look at the notebooks but my real question is, because you're such a planner, do you think that's ever held you back in your career?
Steven White 31:25
Absolutely. Because you're so focused sometimes on planning for the future? You don't enjoy the moment. So how do you start living life as a journey so you enjoy these moments, and you're present enough. And it really helped me when I had my child Stevie, his name is Steven Andrew White. The second check this out when we share the same birthday, December 18. If that's not a miracle, I don't know what it is. But when that little boy is talking to you, he's not thinking about 10 years from now. He's not thinking about a year from now. He's in the present; what he's talking about at that moment is really important. So that was a great opportunity for me to live more in the moment while planning for the future. Right, but not missing life and enjoying the moment, because those are the special lessons that are learned in the moment. And so finding that balance and having a son 9, 10 years ago was that moment that helped me really appreciate being in the moment, enjoying the present.
Ben Chodor 32:35
Do you still have notebooks? Do you still fill it in?
Steven White 32:37
Absolutely. Absolutely. Ben, after we talk, I will make notes to myself, hey, this worked well, I probably could have, you know, conducted this a little bit better. So I'll make notes for myself and what and for me Sunday night, it could vary for everybody. But for me Sunday night before my family and I we sit down Sunday is always movie night or TV night or something that will watch together. My son loves the masked singer. So that means my wife and I will watch tape versions of the masked singer. But before we do that, I always take an hour and plan out my week I look at my notes. What did I learn this week? How can I apply it next week? So Sunday night is my sacred time for about an hour, usually right before dinner on Sunday around 4:00, $:30. I kind of locked myself in a room for an hour, I plan out the next week to make sure I'm living and learning. So I can make sure the next week is better than the last.
Ben Chodor 33:36
Right. I don't do the notebook thing. But I do what you do on Sunday. But I do this Sunday at 5am in the morning, wake up. And I spent like an hour and a half before I go exercise on what my week is going to be what do I have to get accomplished? So I can for me, it allows me now to spend Sunday and not think about what do I have to come? It's done and it's put behind me. But I Steven, this was so much fun for me because I learned something. I love where you came from. I love the man that you become. I also there's not the greatest thing I've ever done in my life. And my wife has most of the credit is my 27 year old boy/girl twins, right? That's the greatest thing I've ever done. I'm more proud of them every day. When I hear you talk about Stevie it just that you lit it up, you've been you know you light up this entire conversation. But when you see it, you get an extra twinkle in your eye. And to me that makes you my friend for life because anyone could love their kids that much is just you have to be a great man. And I appreciate all the time today. And thank you.
Steven White 34:46
Thank you, Ben I so enjoy being with you. You're a great inspiration and a great role model. Thank you for everything you do and thank you for having me today. Stay safe